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china appears to be stabilizing and the rest of the emerging markets are growing. more demand for export business. number two, corporations are sitting on $1.5 trillion of cash. they have a lot of cash. they just need to know how to spend it based on overall tax policy. and number three, if you look at equipment and plant equipment in america today, the inventory is old and due reinvestment and upgrades. there's a lot of pent up demand for investment spending. >> there have been a few bright spots in our economy anyway. i think of housing, which has been in recovery mode right now. does that continue in 2013 even if we do see this -- some sort of resolution of the fiscal cliff and what it could do to paychecks and jobs in the economy? >> the offset is that people look at the value of their houses and start feeling better. one-third of household wealth is the value of their house and if they start seeing prices stabilize and appreciating, that could offset some pullback in overall consumer spending. >> where will we make money then, do you think? >> my sense is emer
china appears to be stabilizing and the rest of the emerging markets are growing. more demand for export business. number two, corporations are sitting on $1.5 trillion of cash. they have a lot of cash. they just need to know how to spend it based on overall tax policy. and number three, if you look at equipment and plant equipment in america today, the inventory is old and due reinvestment and upgrades. there's a lot of pent up demand for investment spending. >> there have been a few...
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look at equities with a little bit of a china exposure because china is starting to bottom a little bit, we think, so that's where i would focus. the number one thing and the greatest clarity i have in 26 years in this business, stay away from interest rate sensitive bonds and stay away from bond funds, and that's what you need to be doing right this moment. >> so you go on equities then, all in in equities then? >> let me tell you, if you're going to be an investor for longer than two years, stay away. if you need fixed income, run away from interest rate sensitive bonds. >> what about the fiscal cliff, you think we get a deal by the end of next week? we going to get a deal? >> i don't see a long-term deal. >> it's pretty easy to come to that conclusion, brian, given the fact that they have had 13 months to discuss this and think about it and now we're down to 18 days to deal with medicare, medicaid and defense spending, what, social security, taxes. what else can we throw into the bucket? >> yeah. you can just throwing more and more in. i think it's clear that they won't be able to co
look at equities with a little bit of a china exposure because china is starting to bottom a little bit, we think, so that's where i would focus. the number one thing and the greatest clarity i have in 26 years in this business, stay away from interest rate sensitive bonds and stay away from bond funds, and that's what you need to be doing right this moment. >> so you go on equities then, all in in equities then? >> let me tell you, if you're going to be an investor for longer than...
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the reality is is the rate of growth of china, if you look at the long-term prospects for china, they're extraordinary. you realize that china is just in the first phases of a long-term domestic development. they're building an infrastructure of transportation, building an infrastructure of consumption in so many different parts of the world. it's such -- so many different parts of the country. it's not just what shanghai, beijing does. it's what so many other parts of the world are doing. and i think the long term over the next 20 to 40 cleyears of development for china. >> thanks for coming on. william lauder, talk to you again soon. i mean, china, their overall story, steph, sounds pretty good. >> it does. >> whether it's chip that or here in the united states. do you run with that? >> it's trading at 23 times forward estimate. it's expensive. certainly great double-digit growth. they're doing a great job on margins. based on his comments, look at coach, 12 times forward estimates and they've got a great presence in china and trying to increase their market share. they've got a great
the reality is is the rate of growth of china, if you look at the long-term prospects for china, they're extraordinary. you realize that china is just in the first phases of a long-term domestic development. they're building an infrastructure of transportation, building an infrastructure of consumption in so many different parts of the world. it's such -- so many different parts of the country. it's not just what shanghai, beijing does. it's what so many other parts of the world are doing. and...
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we're bringing up apple in china. right now they're saying iphone 5 sales are running 50% ahead of what iphone 4 sales were in 2010. that's fairly significant if it turns out to be true. the source for that is macbook translating data from chinese. that's making the rounds. i think people are looking at this aspect of wait a minute. this is a whole growth market that maybe is not in all the -- people are bullish on the china story. but maybe not enough. i think that's giving it to credence here. >> stocks off session highs after those comments from speaker boehner. really, we're hanging in there truth be told. dow up 106 points. when "halftime" returns we zero in on the health of financial stocks from the floor and more companies announcing special dividends as the nation gets closer to the fiscal cliff deadline. deutsche bank top u.s. equity strategist david bianco tells us who can be next. >>> later, can amazon deliver more joy to investors as holiday crunch time takes a new level. shares up 45% this year. we debate
we're bringing up apple in china. right now they're saying iphone 5 sales are running 50% ahead of what iphone 4 sales were in 2010. that's fairly significant if it turns out to be true. the source for that is macbook translating data from chinese. that's making the rounds. i think people are looking at this aspect of wait a minute. this is a whole growth market that maybe is not in all the -- people are bullish on the china story. but maybe not enough. i think that's giving it to credence...
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credit outperformance and the valuation gap closing, and i think we get much more conviction about a china recovery and europe exiting recession so those really support stocks. >> what are you basing it on when you say we'll see a recovery in the second half? what's going to spur that? >> one of the things we studied pretty deeply in the report is looking at durable goods spending. never in u.s. history have we spent this little on construction and housing starts in cap "x." even s&p cap "x" is still pretty close to the 2009 lows, and, you know, when you think about all of that, you have to be very contrarian in terms of sectors this year or next year. >> right. >> and the surprise i think is going to be basic materials. that's the worst per forming group of the last two years. really almost a historic underperformance of that sector, and, again, it's very died to gdp picking up. >> very quickly, tom, do you change your outlook for next year if we go off the fiscal cliff? >> yeah. i mean, if we have a cliff and a recession, there is no bull market. you know, bull markets end with recession
credit outperformance and the valuation gap closing, and i think we get much more conviction about a china recovery and europe exiting recession so those really support stocks. >> what are you basing it on when you say we'll see a recovery in the second half? what's going to spur that? >> one of the things we studied pretty deeply in the report is looking at durable goods spending. never in u.s. history have we spent this little on construction and housing starts in cap...
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we will have calmed eurozone fears, revived china and an emerging world. gear u.s. recovery, which is operating on far more cylinders. housing activity. bank lending. falling unemployment rate. and finally, we would have restored a lot of debt balance sheet. that's a lot of positive force for the economy in 2013. i don't think it needs more fed involvement. >> likely to get something, though. i think we can both agree on that. what about the cliff? >> i think the cliff -- i think it's going to sound ugly and mean because that's the way you negotiate right up until the end of the year. i think we're going to get a modest tax hike, modest spending cut, and extend a lot of the existing relationships to live to fight for another day. >> jim, stick around as we kick it around with the traders. financials, that's what jim likes. >> i think the market is playing a game of three-card monty right now. you have the fed on one side, fiscal cliff in the middle, and i think earnings is actually where the coin is. that's where the prize is. i think the market is vulnerable becaus
we will have calmed eurozone fears, revived china and an emerging world. gear u.s. recovery, which is operating on far more cylinders. housing activity. bank lending. falling unemployment rate. and finally, we would have restored a lot of debt balance sheet. that's a lot of positive force for the economy in 2013. i don't think it needs more fed involvement. >> likely to get something, though. i think we can both agree on that. what about the cliff? >> i think the cliff -- i think...
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it was just announced that china surpassed the u.s. in patent applications just last year. the r & d tax credit goes to hiring and expanding our r & d research. that and obama care, obama care just hit us by 19.5%. our medical costs are going up next year by 19.5%. so what can we do? we'll have to adjust our costs and get them in line. we compete in the worldwide economy, and our costs are going up. >> how much did that loss of the r & d tax credit cost your company as well? >> it cost us about 2.5%, 2% on the bottom line. >> and if the r & d tax credit does not come back, how many people might you have to let go next year? >> so what we have is we've got the 2%, 2.5% that we lost in the bottom line and obama care hitting us by 19.5%. our costs are going to go up 19.5% next year, so we believe, we'll probably have to cut two or three people just to overcome the extra cost that's going to hit our business in 2013 so we've got obama care going through. we're going to take on half that cost and pass half of that on to our employees. think about that. that means that our middle
it was just announced that china surpassed the u.s. in patent applications just last year. the r & d tax credit goes to hiring and expanding our r & d research. that and obama care, obama care just hit us by 19.5%. our medical costs are going up next year by 19.5%. so what can we do? we'll have to adjust our costs and get them in line. we compete in the worldwide economy, and our costs are going up. >> how much did that loss of the r & d tax credit cost your company as well?...
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the next 50 years we are adding 3 billion new consumers, china, india, brazil. let's add i understondonesia to. 3 billion consumers growing in the consumption trends. the growth that will come in front of us in the next 50 years have nothing to do with what has been achieved in the last 50 years. the only difference is that it will be done in those new markets, one, and the specificity of those markets, young people, loving brands, loving sports and becoming rich much sooner compared with what we've been enjoying in other markets. that means attractiveness towards luxury brands starts much sooner in those new markets. >> my thanks to the ceo of ppr. >>> tomorrow morning's key jobs report could move your money even before the opening bell rings. we have our panel of wall street's top market pros giving you a leg up on the ore side of this break. stay with us. we're back in a moment on "the closing bell." americans are always ready to work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first
the next 50 years we are adding 3 billion new consumers, china, india, brazil. let's add i understondonesia to. 3 billion consumers growing in the consumption trends. the growth that will come in front of us in the next 50 years have nothing to do with what has been achieved in the last 50 years. the only difference is that it will be done in those new markets, one, and the specificity of those markets, young people, loving brands, loving sports and becoming rich much sooner compared with what...
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>> man come on, we need to diversify a way to play china. which is why my charitable trust which you can follow along with actionworksplus.com is buying the ishares trust, the fxi. buy buy buy. goes to 42. go to eddie in florida. a lot of florida calls >> caller: hello, jim, a big booyah from port st. louis lucy, florida. thanks for all the help you've give mean over the years. i wish you continued good health. >> very kind. what's going on there? >> caller: okay. i own precision drilling, pbs a long time. do i stay to own it or sell it? >> i'm a big quality guy. if you're going to be in that killing game you want to be in slum burger, alias buy meaning slumber j. best in in breed. no one ever did wrong by going best if breed. mike in illinois >> caller: booyah, mr. kram. >> what's going on? >> caller: merry christmas to your and your staff. listen what's this mass welcome the biomed, admd? >> i wish i knew. without talking to the ceo directly on the show i can't make head or tails of what is really going on with that company. i did that onc
>> man come on, we need to diversify a way to play china. which is why my charitable trust which you can follow along with actionworksplus.com is buying the ishares trust, the fxi. buy buy buy. goes to 42. go to eddie in florida. a lot of florida calls >> caller: hello, jim, a big booyah from port st. louis lucy, florida. thanks for all the help you've give mean over the years. i wish you continued good health. >> very kind. what's going on there? >> caller: okay. i own...
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china, hard landing, so you've got worries about that so that's less downside. >> the dividend payers everybody was rushing, to you're going even beyond that to riskier assets in the stock market. >> going into cyclicals, some of which have been beaten down. these are the kinds of things. i think, now, the fiscal cliff saanich u, no question about it. we are going to get fiscal tightening one way or the other. what we're assuming is this is such a lose-lose proposition for both sides. if they actually let this thing, not gust get through december 31st and do nothing about it. think about it. can president obama get anything done until he gets something, no? >> all the cuts that happened as a result of the fiscal cliff, all over the place. let's cut hundreds of billions in defense. it doesn't indicate what missions are going to be no longer what, programs we're going to kim. i mean, we really have to be stupid to be doing that. >> so irresponsible. >> not knowing where the cuts are hitting. >> right. >> for the security of this country. >> i agree. >> so, therefore, you're going to get
china, hard landing, so you've got worries about that so that's less downside. >> the dividend payers everybody was rushing, to you're going even beyond that to riskier assets in the stock market. >> going into cyclicals, some of which have been beaten down. these are the kinds of things. i think, now, the fiscal cliff saanich u, no question about it. we are going to get fiscal tightening one way or the other. what we're assuming is this is such a lose-lose proposition for both...
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most of the future growth is coming out of china. it is a market which is exploding. i think in 2010, they had 58 million people leaving china. it was 72 million last year. it will be about 80 million by the end of in year. it's all the product of lots of new people coming into the middle class and wanting to travel for the first time. >>> and this is one destination that would use a lot of world visitors spending their money. is it still as appealing? >> yes. europe is never going to lose its appeal. certainly visitors from asia want to come and visit europe. i think the europe outbound market is a bit sluggish at the moment. but it is still the case that people want to travel. and families will make a lot of sacrifices. they might not change a car, but they will absolutely protect their family holiday. europe will still grow, despite the economic difficulties. >> i also wonder when we saw the cost of airfare come down, when we've seen incomes rise, do you expect the rapid, rapid growth that we've seen to continue or is it market now maturing? >> no, the market is no
most of the future growth is coming out of china. it is a market which is exploding. i think in 2010, they had 58 million people leaving china. it was 72 million last year. it will be about 80 million by the end of in year. it's all the product of lots of new people coming into the middle class and wanting to travel for the first time. >>> and this is one destination that would use a lot of world visitors spending their money. is it still as appealing? >> yes. europe is never...
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goldman noting quote that recent soft china same store sales and resulting uncertainty provide a good entry point, shares of yum down more than 6%. >> inflexion point. doesn't that say it somewhere? >> inflexion? >> china, inflexion point. >> they need antibiotics. >> no, not that kind pf. >> oh, not that kind of one. >> so the stock will move based on increasing internal consumption. >> so you like the upgrade? >> i like the upgrade. >> jason is upgrading vera bradley. nice bags. very nice. we expect top line and continue that margin are are at a positive inflexion point. >> forget the inflexion point on this one. >> i think is concerning stock for me. they have been guiding revenue on see things down. they have a problem with inventory. i'm not a fan of this stock. >> the bagses, though. nice bags. >> they are nice bags. we will get you one for christmas. >> good to see you, man. all right. sue? >> you guys are having way too much fun up there without me. i'm getting jealous. let's go to sharon epperson. gold market down more than 20 degrees, below the 17 mark. sharon, how does it l
goldman noting quote that recent soft china same store sales and resulting uncertainty provide a good entry point, shares of yum down more than 6%. >> inflexion point. doesn't that say it somewhere? >> inflexion? >> china, inflexion point. >> they need antibiotics. >> no, not that kind pf. >> oh, not that kind of one. >> so the stock will move based on increasing internal consumption. >> so you like the upgrade? >> i like the upgrade....
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but you are seeing on the high end, particularly the ones that are exposed to asia, to china, like a tiffany's, those are definitely had some issues and i think they may continue to have issues. >> the one that i just look at all the time, just want to shoot myself, kors. they have done a fantastic job. i sold it early and couldn't jump back in. >> the price is really interesting. all these names that we just mentioned. in a market today, when we were up, almost a percent after the fed meeting, tiffany's, coach, underarmour, some of the kind of higher end consumer names were acting very poorly and a lot of them have acted really contrary to the way the market has in the recent run since mid-november. to me, kind of telling you something. also on a day, we talked about it earlier, walmart, dollar gen yesterday, target are breaking down. retail is hitting a wall here and it may be because q-4 is as good as it gets. >> let's get another aspect. mike, you're watching shares of delta. bullish activity here. >> yeah, it was interesting. we saw big spread trade actually, someone looked like
but you are seeing on the high end, particularly the ones that are exposed to asia, to china, like a tiffany's, those are definitely had some issues and i think they may continue to have issues. >> the one that i just look at all the time, just want to shoot myself, kors. they have done a fantastic job. i sold it early and couldn't jump back in. >> the price is really interesting. all these names that we just mentioned. in a market today, when we were up, almost a percent after the...
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now you get china. if europe can stabilize, i think we can go much higher. >> how many days, if you add headline that monty was thinking about, going out and bursceloni was thinking about coming back. follow me on twitter. and "power lunch" begins right now. >> halftime is over. "power lunch" and second half of the trading day starts right now. >> and here we are. welcome to "power lunch." as you can see, we are beth here on the floor of the new york stock exchange. and stocks are higher as fiscal cliff song and dance continues in washington. mr. boehner says he is waiting for a proposal from this gentleman, the president. president obama. and the president is set to speak about the cliff and the a economy later today. >> i thought i was supposed to come here today. you thought you were supposed to come here today. so we are both here. not really, folks. a lot of talk today is about what investors should do if we go over the cliff. what should we do if there is a debt deal before year-end or shortly the
now you get china. if europe can stabilize, i think we can go much higher. >> how many days, if you add headline that monty was thinking about, going out and bursceloni was thinking about coming back. follow me on twitter. and "power lunch" begins right now. >> halftime is over. "power lunch" and second half of the trading day starts right now. >> and here we are. welcome to "power lunch." as you can see, we are beth here on the floor of the new...
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we had better data out of china last week. household net worth increased by $1.7 trillion which was a big number for the fed. it says the bernanke policies are working. in terms of clients what they're doing, obviously there's a lot of clouds on the horizon short-term. but longer term, it's positive. so right now towards the end of the year what we've been seeing is a lot of accounts looking to take out short positions and stocks that have been hef sli shorted. so you've seen stocks like sears holdings, jcpenney, hewlett-packard, facebook, all those types of stocks that have a high short interest. since there's not a lot of clarity outside in terms of the fiscal cliff, they're going after those shorts and pressing them to the table. [ overlapping speakers ] >> -- quality dividends. if you see volatility happening, it's going to strong balance sheets. buy stability, protection, fundamentals. >> and remember that every central bank in the world is full bore in the mote. it's just a matter of time when that velocity picks up. we
we had better data out of china last week. household net worth increased by $1.7 trillion which was a big number for the fed. it says the bernanke policies are working. in terms of clients what they're doing, obviously there's a lot of clouds on the horizon short-term. but longer term, it's positive. so right now towards the end of the year what we've been seeing is a lot of accounts looking to take out short positions and stocks that have been hef sli shorted. so you've seen stocks like sears...
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they love coal in china. i don't want to make a judgment on whether that's -- but they are huge coal plant builders there. huge. >> an important one to watch. we'll talk about a bunch more after the break. what does goldman have to say about the state of the economy. we'll get that exclusive a little bit later in the show. costco, as we said, set to open higher after that better than expected number. will other retailers follow suit. we'll get the answer when the opening bell rings in just about 4 1/2 minutes. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from ch [ male announcer ] this is steve. he loves risk. but whether he's climbing everest, scuba diving the great barrier reef with sharks, or jumping into the market, he goes with
they love coal in china. i don't want to make a judgment on whether that's -- but they are huge coal plant builders there. huge. >> an important one to watch. we'll talk about a bunch more after the break. what does goldman have to say about the state of the economy. we'll get that exclusive a little bit later in the show. costco, as we said, set to open higher after that better than expected number. will other retailers follow suit. we'll get the answer when the opening bell rings in...
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you mentioned the copper, the china plays. the comments. the caterpillars of the world. >> remember when ets, used to buy the actual commodity, i don't know how much, but i do see there's a lot of things that tell me that it indicates maybe we reverse. i don't like big up monday openings. i feel like they often tend to fool people. the empire was not good. it's mixed here. it's just definitively mixed. we're thirsty for those earnings. oracle could be big. ge analysts' meetings could be big. >> it is expected to give guidance for 2013. there's a 2:00 p.m. eastern time conference call, i believe, associated with that. so we may be learning some things in terms of at least our expectations next year from ge. increased its dividend last week, that not that long ago during the financial crisis was cut. rather substantially. over the last year, ge capital has begun paying a dividend yet again to its parent ge. and so it will be interesting to hear. we should point out ge still owns 49% as well as universal. >> ge made a major move. into oil and
you mentioned the copper, the china plays. the comments. the caterpillars of the world. >> remember when ets, used to buy the actual commodity, i don't know how much, but i do see there's a lot of things that tell me that it indicates maybe we reverse. i don't like big up monday openings. i feel like they often tend to fool people. the empire was not good. it's mixed here. it's just definitively mixed. we're thirsty for those earnings. oracle could be big. ge analysts' meetings could be...
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the china news is good. i like a and r. i like the cole names. the one beaten down has the most up side. >> simon. >> in video the table chip. >>> j.j. >> in the financial sector it's like a boxer that gets beat up day after day after day, it never goes down. with that being said, goldman sachs is a financial stock. >> what do you make of this argument that santolli was making, pete. you can get a sell on the news event if you get a deal on the fiscal krif. it's counter intuitive. >> if that were to happen, i agree with josh. i don't know that i see that in front of us. if that were to happen, i think that present a great opportunity. i look at the financials. goldman sachs, i look at all the financials. jpmorgan, goldman sachs, i like them. >> i totally get what mike's saying. it's an interesting thing to consider. it's definitely possible of course. my inclination would be a 1,000 point dow rally. there's so much pent up fear and skepticism. with that out of the way in addition to what the feds told us, which is low rates until we're dead, i ca
the china news is good. i like a and r. i like the cole names. the one beaten down has the most up side. >> simon. >> in video the table chip. >>> j.j. >> in the financial sector it's like a boxer that gets beat up day after day after day, it never goes down. with that being said, goldman sachs is a financial stock. >> what do you make of this argument that santolli was making, pete. you can get a sell on the news event if you get a deal on the fiscal krif. it's...
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also, china story. apple's iphone is officially on sale in china starting today. that should help apple reverse a slide in its market share in that really important area. but analysts say the key to apple's future in china is a tie-up with the telecom operator china mobile. the two have been in talks for years but haven't yet come to any agreement. and you wonder how much china, how much do they want? how much do you have to give up to get a part over there? almost everything, right? >> pretty much. all of your data, everything -- >> their way, they get your technology. do they get the lion's share of -- do they split anything down the middle? >> anyway let's talk about facebook. a major facebook lockup expiration is happening today. early employees' investors will get their first chance to sell about 156 million facebook shares since the ipo back in may. and joining us now on the "squawk" newsline, henry blodget, the ceo and editor in chief at business insider. good morning. >> good morning, thanks for having me. >> a little prognostication here. does this matter
also, china story. apple's iphone is officially on sale in china starting today. that should help apple reverse a slide in its market share in that really important area. but analysts say the key to apple's future in china is a tie-up with the telecom operator china mobile. the two have been in talks for years but haven't yet come to any agreement. and you wonder how much china, how much do they want? how much do you have to give up to get a part over there? almost everything, right? >>...
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china is getting expensive. everyone needs to respond faster to the consumer. >> as much as a success story as this is for inditex, what kind of read is it for the consumer more broadly? i think about the big u.k. department store talking about a great sudden. is the strength perhaps -- great saturday. is the strength perhaps of the consumer, whether it's driven by overseas visits, underestimated? >> i think you're talking about the employment figures. if adds up. if you look at the u.k. particularly, shoppers are out there. if you look at the numbers that we've seen, john lewis had extremely strong figures, asos had strong figures in the u.k. car sales are hitting new highs over the last several years. with the likes of the german mark's, the luxury's doing the best. people are feeling more confident, particularly if they've been in employment for a while. the key thing -- they are shopping for quality. where they actually get value and quality is really -- those companies are doing particularly well. you are b
china is getting expensive. everyone needs to respond faster to the consumer. >> as much as a success story as this is for inditex, what kind of read is it for the consumer more broadly? i think about the big u.k. department store talking about a great sudden. is the strength perhaps -- great saturday. is the strength perhaps of the consumer, whether it's driven by overseas visits, underestimated? >> i think you're talking about the employment figures. if adds up. if you look at the...
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is china your best bet in 2013? joining us is chief china equity strategist at goldman sachs. always great to speak with you. >> those pmi numbers seven-month high. fourth month gain. it is the longest streak in more than a year for the chinese currency and the stock market lowest level since 2009. what is telling the true story? >> well, i think obviously we are seeing pretty reasewassurin cyclical signs and the market is reacting more. there has been a big divergence in terms of performance. the reason the asian market is not turning so much is because it is less correlated to the global market. and secondly i think it is just not only focusing on structural reform issues more but more bearish on the cyclical outlook. those are probably some of the key differences. we think that tha asia market guys are a little too bearish on the cyclical and reform side. we think that 2013 returns will be a little higher for a versus for h. >> you have introduced with your most recent note at the end of november a reform basket of stocks. can you walk us through what that means? >> over th
is china your best bet in 2013? joining us is chief china equity strategist at goldman sachs. always great to speak with you. >> those pmi numbers seven-month high. fourth month gain. it is the longest streak in more than a year for the chinese currency and the stock market lowest level since 2009. what is telling the true story? >> well, i think obviously we are seeing pretty reasewassurin cyclical signs and the market is reacting more. there has been a big divergence in terms of...
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china coming back. gm rationalizing europe. >> gm europe, when you say a couple quarters behind ford, are you saying progress in the quarterly financials? >> committed to rationalizing europe. >> again, a larger theme of excess capitalization at u.s. corporations, and the fact that so much money is sitting on balance sheets doing nothing. >> did you read oracle? how much money do they have. they bought back 10 billion worth of stock. these companies, you read through their stories, and you say, not only did they not extend themselves during this downturn, they conserved a lot of cash. by the way, humans did, too, in america. have you seen the numbers that the federal reserve put out last night about how much money is being -- how little debt is being taken down by citizens. we're back to levels of the '90s. federal household debt service came out last night. the percentage of disposable income is 14%, down to 10%. that's 1994 levels. >> that's a big part of morgan stanley's call on citi today. from over
china coming back. gm rationalizing europe. >> gm europe, when you say a couple quarters behind ford, are you saying progress in the quarterly financials? >> committed to rationalizing europe. >> again, a larger theme of excess capitalization at u.s. corporations, and the fact that so much money is sitting on balance sheets doing nothing. >> did you read oracle? how much money do they have. they bought back 10 billion worth of stock. these companies, you read through...
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and they have a fast-growing chain in china. so for all its problems, i do believe that schulze believes that there is things that they can do to save the company and not only save it but make it prosperous. >> just before we let you go, do you have any appreciation as to what might be an acceptable offer? i mean, are there figures being bandied around from the other side? >> yeah. we've heard that best buy would be comfortable with $20 a share. now, whether or not they get that or not, i don't know. but i think it's interesting that the buzz is out there that the company would be open to $20 a share. you certainly would have heard that just a few months ago when this whole process started. >> thomas, congratulations on your exclusive. it's good to see you. thomas lee from "the minneapolis star-tribune." thank you. >> thank you. >>> speaker boehner coming out just moments ago saying the president needs to step up in the fiscal cliff negotiations. the democratic leadership is preparing to respond. we will bring you comments from
and they have a fast-growing chain in china. so for all its problems, i do believe that schulze believes that there is things that they can do to save the company and not only save it but make it prosperous. >> just before we let you go, do you have any appreciation as to what might be an acceptable offer? i mean, are there figures being bandied around from the other side? >> yeah. we've heard that best buy would be comfortable with $20 a share. now, whether or not they get that or...
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and china did 2 million iphone 5s. europe is week. but with demands elsewhere looking healthy, some numbers at least seem to be going apple's way. the question is whether samsung and amazon are meaningfully zapping the apple products. >> all right, jan. thanks so much. >> we've got both sides of that debate right now. the iphone 5's big debut in china is further proof that apple's fundamentals are solid one says. but stewart jeffrey is not sold. he says rivals like google's android are catching up. we were just talking there. jon pointing out the other competition out there. stock down 25% in the last three months. you remain bullish though. why? >> i do. i think a lot of the selling has to do with capital gains taxes. i think it was from the 700 level. and then you had another wave of it with long-term capital gains taxes. fears of that after the election we think caused an issue. we think that's why the stock is down. we still think it's quite solid. >> what about the competitive environment? stewart, that's one you've been looking
and china did 2 million iphone 5s. europe is week. but with demands elsewhere looking healthy, some numbers at least seem to be going apple's way. the question is whether samsung and amazon are meaningfully zapping the apple products. >> all right, jan. thanks so much. >> we've got both sides of that debate right now. the iphone 5's big debut in china is further proof that apple's fundamentals are solid one says. but stewart jeffrey is not sold. he says rivals like google's android...
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china is growing as a luxury buyer. and although their falloff, tiffany's had high profile warnings base and weaker china, they're going to grow % next year and on top of that the following year. how do you call it quilts here? >> the power gauge is my guide here. china retail sales were up 15% recently. that came out of the blue. you have to go with a disciplined approach to the stocks. if the power gauge is bearish, and it's not bearish on all, but if the power gauge is bearish, i think this is a great place to raise cash. >> we're showing charts and the gauges for tiffany as well as coach and they are very l leveraged to china. >> no doubt. >> the negative power gauge there. there is one stock that you brought with you, mark, that is positive in terms of the power gauge, and that is yahoo!, a pick of steve's for a long time. >> i like it for some of the same reasons. but the key here is they are hiring engineers. they bought on the air and the reason is they know these engineers from google. they've been terribly und
china is growing as a luxury buyer. and although their falloff, tiffany's had high profile warnings base and weaker china, they're going to grow % next year and on top of that the following year. how do you call it quilts here? >> the power gauge is my guide here. china retail sales were up 15% recently. that came out of the blue. you have to go with a disciplined approach to the stocks. if the power gauge is bearish, and it's not bearish on all, but if the power gauge is bearish, i think...
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they said china would be it's second largest market. schultz talked about getting ip to the tea business. i mention all of this to understand that starbucks doesn't go in for idle chatter when it goes in for these meetings. it has a track record of following through on these plans. we want to know how the us business is doing. and you need to hear about international. europe, don't forget, green mountain, it has been huge. starbu starbuck's should tell us what it is going to do with it's cash. they have the cash to do it. i prefer them to grow with the money. this is a major bone of contention. i think it is good. the bears, they seem to think that the coffee could be played out. starbucks will tell us about the new juice store concept. maybe it will give us insight to what could end up being one of the three top markets for the company india. i can't wait to hear about the projections about india. and of course they need to address teavana. i thought this could be a terrific move. seem to be quite popular. the earnings as early at 2013
they said china would be it's second largest market. schultz talked about getting ip to the tea business. i mention all of this to understand that starbucks doesn't go in for idle chatter when it goes in for these meetings. it has a track record of following through on these plans. we want to know how the us business is doing. and you need to hear about international. europe, don't forget, green mountain, it has been huge. starbu starbuck's should tell us what it is going to do with it's cash....
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the china ftse. this is a place i think we're goings higher. >> gnat gas up 4%. >> got a beth of a boost. also from companies wanting to get a little more gassy. >> oh. >> well, they are. they want to get some of this natural gas offshore and i still like it. >> grasso? >> i bought mc, i bought ac steel and i bought big steel, leonard x. i've already sold all three. i've clipped my profit. i'm done for now. if the global economy is doing better, they will continue to go higher. >> up 7%, western digital. mike? >> accelerated dividend is one. >> and we've got a pop here for honey boo boo. >> what? >> what do secretary of state hillary clinton, chris christie and honey boo boo have in common? they've all been placed on barbara walters' most fascinating list. honey boo boo has her fair share of critics including adam lee convenient and south parks. she's sweet loving. look at that face. >> so that's not a sign? >> what? >> of the myan prophecy. >> i knew you were going there. >> that's scary. >> all rig
the china ftse. this is a place i think we're goings higher. >> gnat gas up 4%. >> got a beth of a boost. also from companies wanting to get a little more gassy. >> oh. >> well, they are. they want to get some of this natural gas offshore and i still like it. >> grasso? >> i bought mc, i bought ac steel and i bought big steel, leonard x. i've already sold all three. i've clipped my profit. i'm done for now. if the global economy is doing better, they will...
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kfc in china. that's the growth in their, i think isn't yum bigger than mcdonald's in terms of total number? >> yeah. >> i think subway is, too. research -- >> they don't even call it kentucky tried anymore. >> kfc. >> and it's really chicken. >> that's uncalled for. what do you think it is, cat? that is uncalled for. >> this is all i'll say. >> tastes like chicken. >> yes, it's chicken! if david novak -- >> taco bell. >> yeah, taco bell. >> is that really meat? is that your next -- >> no. all right. the restaurant -- research in motion, rim shares coming off a seven-month high on news that the u.s. immigrations and customs enforcement agent are going to use the blackberry 10 on a trial basis. that is on news, did you see this, that the agency is going to ditch the iphone in favor -- >> okay, so why? >> i don't know. i just want to say, so blackberry was one of the sponsors of the thing yesterday, at the dealbook conference and they showed off the blackberry 10. >> kel me about it. >> they have one
kfc in china. that's the growth in their, i think isn't yum bigger than mcdonald's in terms of total number? >> yeah. >> i think subway is, too. research -- >> they don't even call it kentucky tried anymore. >> kfc. >> and it's really chicken. >> that's uncalled for. what do you think it is, cat? that is uncalled for. >> this is all i'll say. >> tastes like chicken. >> yes, it's chicken! if david novak -- >> taco bell. >> yeah,...
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china's corporate criminals who are often inditing wishable. we don't want to give the chinesing nomic sift apple larger footprint into american capitalism. secondly, this makes a mock rift green energy policies. the main rational for which was we don't want these so-called industries of the future controlled by foreign countries and by foreign companies. and here we are, transferring all of this property over to a chinese company. and there was an american buyer. there was an american buyer. an american-owned option. >> on that point, alan, is there any sensitive technology or information that is going to be given to the chinese through this trance ak. >> that's a great question, mandy. you are broadcasting from northern jersey, right sni think you recently you learned how important electricity grids are, right? when you don't have electrical power bb life becomes very bad. a123 is making product that helps control the electricity grid system. do we want the chinese owning this technology? the possibility for sabotage is after t astro nom cal.
china's corporate criminals who are often inditing wishable. we don't want to give the chinesing nomic sift apple larger footprint into american capitalism. secondly, this makes a mock rift green energy policies. the main rational for which was we don't want these so-called industries of the future controlled by foreign countries and by foreign companies. and here we are, transferring all of this property over to a chinese company. and there was an american buyer. there was an american buyer....
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china's m.o. is this. they basically buy american companies, strip them of technology and ship the jobs to china. case in point would be brantley helicopter. used to be in texas. 2009 china buys it. now all the production facilities are in jindao. this is the problem. the promise to keep the plant going. now a-123 is interesting. they have cutting edge technology which will be exported to china. that's the bigger issue. one company at a time, larry, is going over to china, helping to build their industrial base. and the other thing -- >> hang on a second. this is an important point. ann lee, i'd like to get something from this. okay? if the u.s. foreign investment advisory board okays the deal, fine. but they counterfeit our goods. the chinese have a lot to answer for. shouldn't we make a deal? we let them buy the company but we should make a deal and they should somehow stop all the pirating of our technology? >> i think the chinese government is already trying to crack down on counterfeiting and other th
china's m.o. is this. they basically buy american companies, strip them of technology and ship the jobs to china. case in point would be brantley helicopter. used to be in texas. 2009 china buys it. now all the production facilities are in jindao. this is the problem. the promise to keep the plant going. now a-123 is interesting. they have cutting edge technology which will be exported to china. that's the bigger issue. one company at a time, larry, is going over to china, helping to build...
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their user base is highly mobile in china. these guys have to prove to people they can compete in the same space that google is trying to but they dominant. they don't have any competitors out there and this s.e.c. investigation into the chinese internet names is overdone. this is a great place on the chart. momentum is with you. >> pete, you're going to tim's girl, actually. >> tim's old girl. everybody's hated nokia. this stock was underneath $2 a share. i think this thing is fascinating. the 920 phone and the fact they actually have a contract with china mobile. 700 million subscribers, more than that. this company with the windows 8, i think there's a lot of different catalysts out there. we saw you unusual activity in this name. it was trading around $2. today, $4 a share. i think nokia's not going to beat up on apple, but if you want performance, that's the name to be in. >> gain market share at apple's expense? >> i think they can gain some market share. i don't know if it's at apple's expense, htc, whoever it is going
their user base is highly mobile in china. these guys have to prove to people they can compete in the same space that google is trying to but they dominant. they don't have any competitors out there and this s.e.c. investigation into the chinese internet names is overdone. this is a great place on the chart. momentum is with you. >> pete, you're going to tim's girl, actually. >> tim's old girl. everybody's hated nokia. this stock was underneath $2 a share. i think this thing is...
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not have distribution with the largest phone carrier, china mobile. they have distribution with unicomm. it looks great but not as good as what it did in the u.s. that's one reason. >> very quickly, on apple map debacle, how damaging was that? that was a slip, a big slip for them. >> yes, i think it was. a little bit after turning point for the company because its leadership in software for wireless was unquestioned. for the first time, users were saying, you screwed this up. >> you messed this up. >> yes. that sent a signal, they changed leadership. >> they had a reputation for doing everything right. this was an instance for where they did not. thank you. >> good to have you here. >> brian shablgtman. >> hard to talk about apple without talking about google. there are reports over the weekend this they are settling their search issue with the ftc. also interesting can comments about how they really believe that search with google will be more mobile than desktop on the year 2016. it is up $14.49. sue, to you. >> brian, thank you very much. we raise
not have distribution with the largest phone carrier, china mobile. they have distribution with unicomm. it looks great but not as good as what it did in the u.s. that's one reason. >> very quickly, on apple map debacle, how damaging was that? that was a slip, a big slip for them. >> yes, i think it was. a little bit after turning point for the company because its leadership in software for wireless was unquestioned. for the first time, users were saying, you screwed this up....
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china. i respect samsung but apple still has cache. >> i think the bottom line from the stock perspective and getting away from the company a little bit -- because we all know all of the size of it and how much cash and all of that. just looking at the stock itself, this thing is up 8,000% the last ten years. don't think that anyone should be looking at it as having that opportunity or anything even remotely close to that going forward. so when tony says the story's changing, it is changing, but changing doesn't necessarily mean it's going somewhere negati negative. it's just going to be a different type of opportunity. >> well said as always, josh. but you also probably made the case for the capital gains sale excuse that a lot of people have been throwing out there. >> it's up 40% this year versus an s&p that's up closer to 10%. don't be shocked. everyone owns it. >> tony is right, ecosystem is worth a great deal of money. if you split up the iphone, i-mac, the iphone, it wouldn't be the s
china. i respect samsung but apple still has cache. >> i think the bottom line from the stock perspective and getting away from the company a little bit -- because we all know all of the size of it and how much cash and all of that. just looking at the stock itself, this thing is up 8,000% the last ten years. don't think that anyone should be looking at it as having that opportunity or anything even remotely close to that going forward. so when tony says the story's changing, it is...
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china numbers tomorrow. then germany. maybe nothing there. i think everybody wants to fast forward to tuesday. they want to see what happens after operation twist expires. they want to see what bernanke said at 2:00. that's what we're looking at. >> we're always waiting around for something to happen. and if you wait around and climb this wall of worry, right, don't you sometimes miss out? >> i think you're right. and i think that we do expect something here this wednesday. and if we don't get that $45 billion a month program that actually creates money supply, i think you might see a little selloff. but i think it's priced in at this point. so i think we do have a big question mark here. but it may be answered this week. i think that's what traders are focused on. it's a big last three days after a quiet two days this week. >> i want to ask rick about that in a moment. you're in the camp that any deal of the fiscal cliff will be positive for the market at this point. right? >> any type of rhetoric coming out of washington, d.c. has put a bid
china numbers tomorrow. then germany. maybe nothing there. i think everybody wants to fast forward to tuesday. they want to see what happens after operation twist expires. they want to see what bernanke said at 2:00. that's what we're looking at. >> we're always waiting around for something to happen. and if you wait around and climb this wall of worry, right, don't you sometimes miss out? >> i think you're right. and i think that we do expect something here this wednesday. and if...
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it's not going to china because they're becoming uncompetitive. >> exactly. i think a lot of companies are recognizing that the attraction is to do jobs here because it will be able to minimize their risk. there's a lot of concentration overseas particularly in india which historically has been the epicenter of all the i.t. jobs that have gone offshore. >> how much do you think this is going to start creating jobs back here in america. we see companies all the time onshoring as opposed to outsourcing. >> well, more and more and more they're bringing jobs back here. they are aware, if they're able to quantify all the hidden costs, all the indirect costs and they're able to see that it's actually more competitive to have people work here in the united states and in terms of cost, when you analyze all that, you really will see that it's actually about the same or even slightly cheaper to do it here now. >> isn't that kind of -- it's good that we're creating jobs, but isn't that kind of sad in the united states we're saying it is cheaper to do business all-in thi
it's not going to china because they're becoming uncompetitive. >> exactly. i think a lot of companies are recognizing that the attraction is to do jobs here because it will be able to minimize their risk. there's a lot of concentration overseas particularly in india which historically has been the epicenter of all the i.t. jobs that have gone offshore. >> how much do you think this is going to start creating jobs back here in america. we see companies all the time onshoring as...
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the iphone's not selling well in china. something i heard today. we heard they don't have the same carrier sponsors. samsung is loved over there. that means numbers may come down again. why not take them down, do it simultaneously with taking the price target down, particularly one that's become an absurdity in the high 700s. that's exactly what one analyst did today, cut the price target and the numbers, which were too high. and that frightened people. my take on apple, i am not dogmatic, people, but i'll give you my story. my charitable trust owned it for a long time. one of our longest held positions. we did some selling about 90 points ago. why? because the stock had gone up so much that we had become the apple fund. so we took some profits. i confess to also being worried that the company lacks any new omg products and that could dim the company's long-term prospects. but we're holding on to the rest of our position in the trust because i think apple's a good investment that's inexpensive, even after the analyst numbers we got today. can't tra
the iphone's not selling well in china. something i heard today. we heard they don't have the same carrier sponsors. samsung is loved over there. that means numbers may come down again. why not take them down, do it simultaneously with taking the price target down, particularly one that's become an absurdity in the high 700s. that's exactly what one analyst did today, cut the price target and the numbers, which were too high. and that frightened people. my take on apple, i am not dogmatic,...
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it's not in china play. no, they have a small percentage of their sales in china and some tourist business here so you can forget about that, but even if it were, china sales are down. >> and i think we're saying the same thing in essence. my belief is, look, they're coming after this consumer discretionary spending. they came after the luxury end. they came after coach. there's not much juice to squeeze out. on the other side of that that gives the potential for coach to rally. >> i'd rather go to nordstrom. i'd rather play the luxury end. >> why nordstrom? >> i'm not counting on coach and coeurs. the high end consumers, there are have i few places for them to go in terms of broad line. >> the high end consumer rolls over altogether both you guys lose? >> absolutely. what i'm saying is that you're going to lose less. in the luxury space i mentioned before tiffany, i think the benefit that you have with tiffany, this is another name that you could play, is you've got that exposure to the potential recovery i
it's not in china play. no, they have a small percentage of their sales in china and some tourist business here so you can forget about that, but even if it were, china sales are down. >> and i think we're saying the same thing in essence. my belief is, look, they're coming after this consumer discretionary spending. they came after the luxury end. they came after coach. there's not much juice to squeeze out. on the other side of that that gives the potential for coach to rally. >>...
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if china bounces back quicker than we anticipate, or if europe flattens out. we're optimistic next year. we want to make sure our clients are in this market. >> scott, good to have you on the program. >> all right. thanks, guys. >> you know, he's not alone. lots and lots of analysts are coming out with their forecasts for next year. pretty bullish. >> even morgan stanley, right? >> yeah, for once. all right. heading toward the close here with about 12 minutes left. the dow hanging on to a gain of about 30 points. >> the situation with anti-virus software pioneer john mcafee is going from strange to surreal. he's now in custody. now reportedly has had two heart attacks. we're going to tell you the latest on this bizarre and evolving story. >>> also, the ceo of accounting giant recently met with president obama. he say miss other ceos in that meeting agreed the tax rates for the wealthy have to rise as part of any fiscal cliff deal. he joins us exclusively later on "the closing bell." stay tuned. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in
if china bounces back quicker than we anticipate, or if europe flattens out. we're optimistic next year. we want to make sure our clients are in this market. >> scott, good to have you on the program. >> all right. thanks, guys. >> you know, he's not alone. lots and lots of analysts are coming out with their forecasts for next year. pretty bullish. >> even morgan stanley, right? >> yeah, for once. all right. heading toward the close here with about 12 minutes left....
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people are concerned about the inventory building in china putting a lid on the stock. now, i am looking for a lid to be blown off by a turn in china eventual l. maybe not this quarter. while the u.s., i think, is strong because of foot locker, but some analyst came out today and said u.s. is even weak. remember, nike trades on futures orders, not on earnings. so if you're dumb enough to want to trade in after hours, be aware, you might be trading on the wrong number. friday. these are big brand names. what a big week next week. friday we get results from walgreen's. i feel badly for wag. we just heard from cvs yesterday which boosted its numbers. that's a tough comparison to go against. i don't know how walgreen's can keep up. i will say this, though, the drug stores have been in secular share take mode from other stores, which is one reason why cvs was able to deliver such a strong number p. and i think walgreen's will show better numbers now that it's put its express scripts tiff behind it. moving over to cvs. that was really he helpful for c slchlt s. the gigantic p
people are concerned about the inventory building in china putting a lid on the stock. now, i am looking for a lid to be blown off by a turn in china eventual l. maybe not this quarter. while the u.s., i think, is strong because of foot locker, but some analyst came out today and said u.s. is even weak. remember, nike trades on futures orders, not on earnings. so if you're dumb enough to want to trade in after hours, be aware, you might be trading on the wrong number. friday. these are big...
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where is that coming from because i see china coming back a little, maybe europe's done going down, we seem to be a little bit stalled. somebody's building something around this world. >> i think it's a matter of jabil being very competitive in the markets that we serve and having sufficient diversification so that if one part of our business, for instance networking or telecommunications may be going through a lull or a slower period with government spending and business spending, capital spending down, we have some other parts of our business that are doing extremely well. you mentioned some of the mechanics business we're involved in which we call our materials technology group. that has nothing to do with electronics so we don't have to sell any electronic hardware for those businesses to perform well. parts of our business really are a reflection of the economy and other parts of our business are growing very robustly. so i'm very hopeful for the balance of the year and, you know, i think the company is diversified enough to take advantage of whatever opportunities are out there.
where is that coming from because i see china coming back a little, maybe europe's done going down, we seem to be a little bit stalled. somebody's building something around this world. >> i think it's a matter of jabil being very competitive in the markets that we serve and having sufficient diversification so that if one part of our business, for instance networking or telecommunications may be going through a lull or a slower period with government spending and business spending,...
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of china." serious question, do you think actual's doing this for politics or economics? >> actually both. but when you look at china, though, their manufacturing days are over. americans are less produmore pr less prone to strike -- >> are you sure american works are less prone to strike? we've reported on this show a whole bunch of strikes, including the hostess twinkie companies, the ports of los angeles and out on the west coast. we have obama in the white house. the unions are going whild here. in all seriousness, i don't think unions are any more placid here than they are in china. >> but in china, workers go out on wildcat strikes all the time. foxconn which manufactures about 97% of apple's products, they've been really subject to labor troubles, from suicides to strikes. so i think apple is starting to see that there are some really important economic reasons to manufacturing. they're not the only company doing that. >> is it robots they're going -- i was told that apple is going into a
of china." serious question, do you think actual's doing this for politics or economics? >> actually both. but when you look at china, though, their manufacturing days are over. americans are less produmore pr less prone to strike -- >> are you sure american works are less prone to strike? we've reported on this show a whole bunch of strikes, including the hostess twinkie companies, the ports of los angeles and out on the west coast. we have obama in the white house. the unions...
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/china relationship? >> well, i think that it's a little too early to tell that this is symptomatic of the new administration. but i do expect that there will be progress in certain areas. china has been asking the u.s. to lift restrictions on high-tech exports. and i gather that the obama administration is consider something kind of overhaul of the current restrictions. so there might be some change there was benefit to china. and on the u.s. side, the u.s. would like china to lift restrictions on imports of livestock. and it looks like china is willing to do that on a gradual basis. so i think that there would be some positives coming out of these meetings today and tomorrow. >> and lastly, frank, what would be the most significant policy move period to come from this. again, aside from the news we've already heard about the import duties, are you looking for any big-name tie-ups, or is this about meeting and shaking hands, especially because the u.s. leadership still isn't settled, erkts speci especial
/china relationship? >> well, i think that it's a little too early to tell that this is symptomatic of the new administration. but i do expect that there will be progress in certain areas. china has been asking the u.s. to lift restrictions on high-tech exports. and i gather that the obama administration is consider something kind of overhaul of the current restrictions. so there might be some change there was benefit to china. and on the u.s. side, the u.s. would like china to lift...
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. >>> from the cliff to china. investors finally get some positive news. >> atmospherics are getting so much better. we kind of gotten out of a kabuki theater and we've gone to dancing the tango with those two guys and any time you start to tango, you got a chance. >> but the mixed messages don't stop there. >> apple, to me, is a trading sardine. not an eating or investing sardine for the next few months. there are no clear short-term positive catalysts that i can see. >> i think apple has become a casino. i think it's problematic. >> oh. and there's always europe. >> well, you don't have to be einstein to work out that there's a problem. >> fasten your seat belts. there's lot to trade. this is "fast money." i'm melissa lee. here are tonight's top three trades. lucky 2013. why you should be looking past the cliff with confidence. picks for the new year. plus, pinching pennies. why the friends and family sales are more bad news. and spin cycle. o your old washing machine. president obama and speaker john boehner met
. >>> from the cliff to china. investors finally get some positive news. >> atmospherics are getting so much better. we kind of gotten out of a kabuki theater and we've gone to dancing the tango with those two guys and any time you start to tango, you got a chance. >> but the mixed messages don't stop there. >> apple, to me, is a trading sardine. not an eating or investing sardine for the next few months. there are no clear short-term positive catalysts that i can...
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china is still positive in the fourth quarter. china is going to show a slow and steady improvement. so we need those. >> higher expectations stronger in the likes of taiwan, india and brazil. let's go back to where you say they're weakest. greece, italy, spain, the netherlands. this is a very weak feature, indeed. how bad in it? >> it's bad. the eurozone is the global economic problem now. if you look at asia where i just returned from, both countries are feeling optimistic. but they seem to be inwardly focused now by being a triangle of china, india, indonesia. we're not seeing a great benefit into europe as we did before. for instance, germany is looking pretty pessimistic. based on its lack of export performance to places like china. >> yeah. when the bundes bank came out and shortly downgraded forecasts, how is the employment picture? if you've got a relatively healthy china and the u.s. consumer bounce back, wouldn't that help germany? >> it certainly would. germany is relatively flat in terms of the employment outlook. so i
china is still positive in the fourth quarter. china is going to show a slow and steady improvement. so we need those. >> higher expectations stronger in the likes of taiwan, india and brazil. let's go back to where you say they're weakest. greece, italy, spain, the netherlands. this is a very weak feature, indeed. how bad in it? >> it's bad. the eurozone is the global economic problem now. if you look at asia where i just returned from, both countries are feeling optimistic. but...
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industrial metals that got a boost as we saw rallies in asia on hopes that maybe this new regime in china is going to be spending more helping to prop up the property department there, housing, than might mean more demand for industrial metals. copper today, the standout in part because of that. also, a different note, the s.e.c. ahead of the holiday delayed a decision on the proposed etf, according to the "wall street journal," the etf would hold twice as much copper in terms of holdings compared to the jpmorgan holding approved on december 14th. >> i think 182,000 physical tons they could take off the market. we'll revisit it later. for a moment, thank you. bob pisani is joining me on the floor of the nyse. the big discussion is about retail and what the figures from mastercard tell us. >> i just want to point out that the dow industrials dropped in the middle of the day. there had been some concern the house leadership which is all coming back now did not send out a 48-hour notice to their membership requiring all the members to show up and vote, even though there's no fiscal cliff dea
industrial metals that got a boost as we saw rallies in asia on hopes that maybe this new regime in china is going to be spending more helping to prop up the property department there, housing, than might mean more demand for industrial metals. copper today, the standout in part because of that. also, a different note, the s.e.c. ahead of the holiday delayed a decision on the proposed etf, according to the "wall street journal," the etf would hold twice as much copper in terms of...
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>> well, he didn't speak to motive but i am guessing, tyler, given all the talk about china, given all the china problems they've had, working conditions, salaries, his forced trip over there, i'm guessing they think this would and good idea. they talk a lot about skilled labor over here and not educating the kinds of workers they need. but it's just one of the points he kind of scatters through this first real interview which was months upon months in the making, as i need not tell you. >> yes, indeed. sometimes dealing with apple, it takes a long, long time to get through. but once you do, they're very forthcoming. brian, did he speak at all to -- i don't want to use the word burden but in some ways it is a burden. they don't produce a lot of products every year but they do produce products that they consider revolutionary, that changes for the greater good the american society and the way business is done. that's a pretty heavy burden and mantel to carry for a company and for a ceo. >> it is. americans all around the world, when people get a little harsh on what happened to the amer
>> well, he didn't speak to motive but i am guessing, tyler, given all the talk about china, given all the china problems they've had, working conditions, salaries, his forced trip over there, i'm guessing they think this would and good idea. they talk a lot about skilled labor over here and not educating the kinds of workers they need. but it's just one of the points he kind of scatters through this first real interview which was months upon months in the making, as i need not tell you....